Episode 2: Brené Brown on “contagious” calmness & the most important qualities for leaders

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The big question: How do we fix the mismatch between talent and opportunity in this country? Can leading with qualities like vulnerability, empathy and trust help with that?

Key takeaways from our conversation with Brené:

“You can’t ask people to be vulnerable and brave in systems that are not built for their vulnerability and courage. We have to think about identity. We have to think about power…We have to build systems where armor is not rewarded or required.”

Brené Brown, Renowned professor and author of six #1 New York Times best-sellers

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Brené Brown

Renowned professor and author of six #1 New York Times best-sellers

Dr. Brené Brown is a research professor at the University of Houston, where she holds the Huffington Foundation Endowed Chair at the Graduate College of Social Work. She also holds the position of visiting professor in management at the University of Texas at Austin McCombs School of Business.

Brené has spent the past two decades studying courage, vulnerability, shame, and empathy. She is the author of six #1 New York Times bestsellers and is the host of two award-winning podcasts, Unlocking Us and Dare to Lead.

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Adam Grant

NYT Best-Selling Author of Think Again

Adam Grant is an organizational psychologist and bestselling author who explores the science of motivation, generosity, original thinking, and rethinking. ​He is the #1 New York Times bestselling author of 5 books that have sold millions of copies and been translated into 45 languages: Think Again, Give and Take, Originals, Option B, and Power Moves.

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Rachel Romer

Guild CEO

Rachel Romer is Guild’s CEO — a Public Benefit Corporation that provides employees of America’s largest companies access to education, skilling, and career mobility through their employers without paying for tuition or career services on their own.

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Podcast transcript: Brené Brown, Rachel Romer and Adam Grant

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